Monday, 30 December 2013 13:07

photo by Roland Dorsey

Government Center fight led local 2013 news

The year began in controversy after the Baltimore County government’s announcement of the decision to close Eastwood Elementary School and the plan to sell the North Point Government Center. Local opposition was fierce and loud, and a formal opposition group — Dundalk United — arose to channel popular anger into action, writing letters,  speaking out at public meetings and even taking to the streets.
    Their efforts didn’t stop the plan; Vanguard Commercial Development’s small-scale proposal was chosen.
    However, it appears that Dundalk United isn’t done yet ....
    Meanwhile, there was more widespread enthusiasm for the long-awaited completion of the new $105 million Dundalk High-Sollers Point Tech campus, which opened to great acclaim in August — after the county school system fought tooth and nail to keep The Eagle (and its readers) from seeing the interior.
    In local politics,  incumbents shook up the status quo, announcing that they would not run for re-election in 2014.
    State Sen. Norman Stone started the ball rolling by announcing that he would retire after more than half a century in Annapolis. In the months that followed, Del. Joseph “Sonny” Minnick announced that he would end his service of more than 20 years, and County Councilman John Olszewski Sr. said he would not seek a fifth term. Another incumbent, Del. Joh Olszewski Jr., launched a campaign to succeed Stone, leaving one — Del. Michael Weir Jr. — seeking re-election.
    Unsurprisingly, the field of candidates for local office — including a larger-than-ever group of Republican contenders — grew quickly.
    There was much more, of course:  Ravens fever; pit bull disputes; the aftermath of the steel mill closing; unexplained lights in the sky; Defenders Day; the prospect of a new Amazon.com warehouse; carbon monoxide; Christmas celebrations; honors for schools, students, teachers and citizens — and even an unprecedented honor for The Eagle — and, of course, the one ever-reliable highlight of the Dundalk calendar:  the Fourth of July celebration, including the parade, fireworks and the Heritage Fair.


Government Center sale was burning topic all year long


Debate over county sale plan dominated year

by Ben Boehl

    The saga of the North Point Government Center sale started in December 2012, when the county placed the site for sale, and it extended near the end of 2013 when the Baltimore County Council approved the sale of the Government Center property to Vanguard Commercial Development Inc.
    On Dec. 11, 2012, Baltimore County announced the North Point Government Center was one of three county sites to be placed on the open market.    
    The North Point Police Precinct will move from the Government Center to the former Eastwood Magnet Elementary School, which closed in June; its  magnet program was relocated to Holabird Middle and Norwood Elementary schools in August.
    The county announced it would accept bids until April 5 and that as part of the Request for Proposal (RFP), the potential buyer would be required to provide replacement recreational facilities, to include fields comparable to the current recreational fields and a recreational center containing at least 21,000 square feet on a single floor.
    When the April 5 deadline passed, only Vanguard Commercial Development, Inc., and Sollers Investors, LLC, had placed bids.    
    The Vanguard plan called for building a new 21,000-square-foot facility for the recreation programs for indoor soccer, wrestling, theater and singing groups.
    The athletic fields would be retained by the county, with enhancements to baseball dugouts and spectator bleachers provided by Vanguard.
    Vanguard would then create a retail center along the Wise Avenue front of the property, which will be called Merritt Pavilion.
    Sollers Investors LLC proposed a plan that would have brought a big-box retailer to the Government Center site and moved the recreation programs and athletic fields to the former Seagram’s distillery site on Sollers Point Road.
    John Vontran, owner of the former Seagram’s property on Sollers Point Road, was part of the Sollers group that also included brothers Jeff and Mark Powers.
    On Oct. 24, it was announced by Baltimore County that a panel had selected the Vanguard plan. It was also revealed that Vanguard’s $2.1 million bid was roughly half of Sollers $5 million, which would have included the entire site.
    There appeared to be a divide within the opposition group Dundalk United, which had long protested the sale proposal, as some members said they completely opposed the Vanguard plan while other members asked the county to give the community more time to evaluate the proposal.
    Community members spoke both for and against the plan at a County Council work session on Nov. 25. The County Council approved the Vanguard bid by a 7 to 0 vote on Dec. 2.
    As the calendar turns to 2014, Vanguard must go through a PUD (Planned Unit Development) process that will include community input, and Len Weinberg of Vanguard said he hoped to announce some potential retail suitors in the first quarter of 2014.    
    Weinberg predicted the new recreation center would be open by mid-to-late 2015 and hopes Merritt Pavilion will be open with stores operating by fall 2016.


New Dundalk High-Sollers Point Tech campus opens


New campus offers state-of-the-art facilities

by Bill Gates

    It’s real, and it’s spectacular.
    Two months shy of five years since the project was officially proposed, the new Dundalk High and Sollers Point Tech schools opened their doors for students.
    Baltimore County can’t back out, now; we’ve got our spanking new, state-of-the-art, high-tech schools. With a stadium to follow.
    (Yes, the county probably passed the point of no return in October 2010 with the official groundbreaking, and as the new facility inexorably rose from the ground over the next three years. But you know many of us were just bracing ourselves for county officials to snatch it back while shouting “Psych!”
    Or that we would eventually just wake up.)
    When Baltimore County announced in 2008 a proposal to construct new buildings for Dundalk High and Sollers Point Technical, there was skepticism and some resistance.
    The skepticism came from people who just couldn’t believe the county would do something good for Dundalk.
    The resistance came from people — mainly Sollers Point High alumni and Turner Station residents — who objected to demolishing Sollers Point Tech due to the school’s historical significance to the community.
    The proposals went through several stages: renovating Dundalk High and Sollers Point Tech; demolishing both schools and building two new side-by-side schools; demolishing both schools and building one new facility housing both schools.
    The first official public proposal to build new Dundalk High and Sollers Point Tech schools came during a community feedback meeting on Nov. 24, 2008, at Sollers Point Tech.
    There, residents learned that it would cost $93 million to renovate both schools, or $105 million to just build two new schools.
    So: patch up a pair of buildings that were 50 (Dundalk High) and 60 years (Sollers Point) old; or, for just $12 million more, get two brand-new schools to last another 50 to 60 years.
    And people say government can’t make the right decisions.
    Unfortunately, despite the wishes of many Turner Station residents, the new Sollers Point could not be built at its former location due to flood plain issues.
    That led to the decision to put the new schools side by side, and eventually in the same building (which saved several million dollars).
    Leaving the Dundalk community with a new jewel which, it is hoped, can attract more families to the area and improve the performance of the school’s students.
    It still hurt to watch the old building get demolished, however.


Seismic shift in local political landscape


Four of five area officials won’t seek re-election

by Ben Boehl

    With a year to go before the 2014 elections, 2013 was supposed to be “the calm before the storm,” with incumbents and challengers expected to lay the groundwork for their campaigns.
    But with a state senator who has served for over a half a century, a 20-year member of the House of Delegates and a four-term county councilman all deciding not to run for re-election next year, 2013 was more than just a “calm before the storm” — it was a seismic shift in the political landscape.
    It was already expected that the 2014 campaign would get under way in 2013, with the traditional September primaries in Maryland moving to June 2014 to comply with the Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment [MOVE] Act.
    The new June primary  forced candidates to start moving early, as the filing deadline moved from July to Feb. 25, 2014. Candidates started to come out as early as January 2013.
    Although a Republican has not held elected office in a Dundalk-based district, Bob Long, Ric Metzgar and East Baltimore County Republican Club president Dan Liberatore announced their plans to run for the House of Delegates. They were later joined by Republican candidates Robin Grammer Jr., Mitchell Toland Jr. and Roger Zajdel, which — if nothing changes — guarantees the first-ever contested Republican primary in the region.
    There was some early uncertainty on the Democratic side, as Eric Washington was the only Democrat to commit to the 2014 House race before the summer.
    Then the dominoes started to fall.
    After more than 50 years in the General Assembly, state Sen. Norman Stone announced that 2014 would be his last year in office.
    That prompted Del. John Olszewski Jr. to give up his seat to go after the now-vacant Senate seat.
    Next, Del. Joseph “Sonny” Minnick announced he too would not seek re-election in 2014.
    Del. Mike Weir Jr. was the only local incumbent who said he would seek another term.
    Weir will join Washington, former Del. Jake Mohorovic and newcomers Jonathan Campbell and Marcus Foreman in the Democratic primary.
    Republican newcomer Johnny Ray Salling is the only Republican to file for the Senate seat.
    Former Democrat Todd Crandell set off his own round of fireworks in the Dundalk 4th of July parade when he announced he was running for the 7th District Baltimore County Council seat held by four-term Councilman John Olszewski Sr — as a Republican.
    Then Olszewski threw the final political curveball when he announced in November he would not seek re-election in 2014.
    His open seat caused  Greater Dundalk Community Council (GDCC) president Scott Holupka, Essex resident and president of the Essex-Middle River Renaissance Corporation Joe DiCara, New 7th Democratic Club president C.O. “Bud” Staigerwald and County Seal Democratic Club president Ron Yeatman to enter the race as Democrats.
    Crandell is the only Republican to commit to the council race.


2013 marked end of LNG proposal for Sparrows Point


AES abandons plans after years of court battles

by Nicole Rodman

    2013 marked the end of the LNG (liquid natural gas) controversy as Virginia-based AES Corp. abandoned its efforts to build a LNG plant on the Sparrows Point peninsula.
    On Sept. 19, AES filed a motion with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) requesting that FERC vacate its previous approval of a LNG plant on the site.
    “AES has decided to no longer pursue constructing the LNG terminal and the associated 88-mile natural gas pipeline authorized by the Commission,” the motion stated. “To date, no construction activities have been undertaken, and thus there are no facilities in service.”
    On Nov. 8, FERC complied with the request, issuing a final order vacating approval of the project.
    AES announced its proposal in January 2006.
    The plan called for three large storage tanks and a facility to unload LNG tankers at Sparrows Point.
    Additionally, the plan called for the construction of an 88-mile pipeline to transport gas from Sparrows Point to Eagle, Pa.
    Opposition to the plan was fierce and immediate.
    In response to AES’s proposal, the Maryland General Assembly created the Baltimore County LNG Task Force.
    After studying the issue at length, the task force reported that, due to risk of explosion, a LNG facility should not be located within two-and-a-half miles of any residential areas.
    The proposed LNG plant at Sparrows Point would have been located a mile away from homes.
    The LNG proposal also drew opposition from residents, who formed the LNG Opposition team.
    State and local political leaders were also among those opposing the project.
    Among the politicians that publicly spoke out against an LNG plant at Sparrows Point were then-Baltimore County Executive Jim Smith, state Sen. Norman Stone, Gov. Martin O’Malley, U.S. Rep. C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger and U.S. Sen. Barbara Mikulski.
    In addition to safety issues, opponents rejected the LNG proposal based on environmental concerns, such as the toll channel dredging could have taken on local waterways.   
    Ultimately, while FERC authorized construction of an LNG plant in January 2009, AES was unable to proceed with the project.
    In the years that followed, the company went to court numerous times, fighting against lawsuits issued by such opponents as the state of Maryland, Baltimore County and the LNG Opposition Team.
    AES also encountered hurdles getting the authorizations necessary to pursue construction.
    The Maryland Department of the Environment (MDE) refused AES’s request for a water quality certification due to concerns about the project’s environmental impact.
    MDE’s decision was later upheld in court.
    Facing heavy opposition and a declining market for imported natural gas, AES decided to abandon the project altogether in September.
    With the issuance of FERC’s final order on Nov. 8, the proposal was officially put to rest.
    “Now it’s final that the community has won,” LNG Opposition Team leader Russell Donnelly said at the time. “They’re not coming back.”






Charlesmont Elementary School was named a Blue Ribbon school by the Maryland State Department of Education in recognition of its high test scores and growth in student achievement.

Interfaith bridges were built as Grace Place church and the neighboring Baltimore Sikh Society continued a series of joint activities.
Postal customers grumbled as the Dundalk Post Office reported a temporary shortage of stamps.

More than a year after seven people were arrested at the club on drug charges, the former Black Hole Rock Club went on the auction block. The buyer was later reported to be Marlene Glava, holder of the outstanding debt that led to the auction.

Local residents and the community of former steelworkers voiced sadness and anger after the suicide of former Sparrows Point worker Robert Jennings, who had lost his 35-year job when RG Steel closed the mill the previous summer.

A house fire on Hartwait Street in Graceland Park claimed the life of 10-year-old Raven Lacy.
After significant opposition in the Edgemere area, Catholic Charities changed its Hosannah House transitional housing proposal to a women-only program.


The federal U.S. Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. filed a lawsuit against Renco Group — parent company of former Sparrows Point steel mill owner RG Steel — over claims that Renco had intentionally acted to avoid pension obligations to workers.

Largely due to unexpected demand, local pharmacies reported a shortfall of flu shots.

Union Baptist Church in Turner Station was the site of a Black History Month celebration featuring music, dancing, historical displays, educational presentations and a sermon by the Rev. Eric Johnson.

With steelmaking at Sparrows Point now consigned to history, the United Steelworkers of America took over Local 9477 with an eye toward winding down the operations of the union local.

After the Baltimore Ravens’ victory in the Super Bowl, Matt Birk, who played center for the team, chose a visit to Battle Grove Elementary School to announce his retirement.


Longtime community volunteer Joe Cristy was named Citizen of the Year by the Optimist Club of Dundalk. Eastpoint Chick-fil-A manager Danielle Alderson was honored as Humanitarian of the Year.

Dundalk honored its Irish roots at the annual St. Patrick’s Day parade.

North Point Village community leaders Dave and Brenda Patro,  Sparrows Point High School athletic director Russ Lingner, Dundalk Florist and leaders of Dundalk High School were tapped by the Dundalk Renaissance Corp. for its annual Milestone Awards. 

Gloria Nelson of Turner Station was named Baltimore County Woman of the Year by the Baltimore County Commission for Women.

“Inconsistent volume of business” was cited as the cause for the closing of the Shallow Creek Bookstore Café. Meanwhile, after years of disputes with nearby residents over outdoor music, the Dock of the Bay restaurant announced that it would close.

Dundalk resident Lawrence Joynes, who worked as a teacher in Montgomery County, was arrested on child pornography charges after police reported finding explicit images featuring children on his home computer. He was later charged with sexual abuse of a minor.


Road work on Dundalk Avenue surprised local residents and narrowed the roadway to one lane along much of the city portion of the street.

Controversy arose as the complete genome of  Henrietta Lacks was published online  by a German laboratory. After complaints from Mrs. Lacks’ surviving family, the laboratory removed that data from its website, but not before it had already been downloaded 15 times. The Lacks family later came to an agreement with science authorities that gave the family a voice in the future use of Mrs. Lacks’ historic cells.

Galilee Baptist Church marked 100 years of worship in the Dundalk area.

Dundalk High alumnus and promient developer and philanthropist Leroy Merritt was posthumously recognized by his alma mater, McDaniel College (formerly Western Maryland College), with the naming of a college building in his honor.

Unexplained lights in the night sky had Dundalkians thinking extraterrestrially — and calling 911 — but the source of the lights proved to be something earthbound:  a local nightclub.

Six HVAC units at the Key Landing Apartments were repaired after resident Chevera Brown was treated for carbon monoxide exposure.


Cathy Cunningham of Charlesmont Elementary, Jason Adams of General John Stricker Middle School, Nancy Yetter of Dundalk High and Thelma Jachelski of CCBC Dudalk were honored as the community’s top teachers by the Dundalk Chamber of Commerce.

Controversy erupted after allegations of pit bulls attacking other dogs at Wags Dog Park in St. Helena. Reports of other pit bull attacks, including one that killed a poodle-bichon frise mix near Bayard and School avenues, followed.

Brian and Donna Biehler reported that their storage unit at the North Point Mini Warehouses had been cleared out — and the contents disposed of as trash — without notice, and that the same had happened to other storage clients at the site. Warehouse owner Dan Benhoff said he had given all storage customers 30 days’ notice, but the Biehlers said they received no such notice.

The Heritage Association announced that ticket prices for the 2013 Dundalk Heritage Fair would increase from $5 to $7. Fair organizers cited financial losses stemming from the storm that struck the 2012 fair.

Foul weather postponed, but did not stop, the 47th annual Dundalk Art Show in Veterans Park. Originally slated for May 11, the show was moved to May 18 in the face of inclement conditions.

Betty Edwards, who had been on the Patapsco High School faculty since the school opened 50 years earlier, announced her retirement.


Patapsco High alumnus  Jason Kidd headed to Las Vegas as a contestant on Fox Television’s “So You Think You Can Dance.”

The 2014 election season got off to an early start as GOP gubernatorial hopeful David Craig, the Harford County executive, made a visit to Dundalk hours after announcing his candidacy, and another Republican, local real estate broker Bob Long, announced a bid for a 6th District House of Delegates seat, joining previously announced GOP candidates Ric Metzgar, Robin Grammer and Dan Liberatore. Another Republican, Mitchell Toland, soon entered the race as well.

Union protesters outside the Dundalk High School site alleged that Colt Insulation, a contractor hired to remove asbestos from the old school building, was not meeting worker safety standards. An attorney representing Colt Insulation told The Eagle that his client was in compliance with all applicable laws and regulations.

Former staff and alumni celebrated Patapsco High School’s 50th anniversary at a June 8 gala at Martin’s East.

Heavy storms damaged the 600-foot trash boom along Back River,, compromising its ability to prevent waterborne trash from drifting into the open waters of Back River and the Chesapeake Bay.

Dundalk celebrated the Fourth of July with its annual parade, led by Grand Marshal Joe Cristy and honorary marshals Danielle Alderson and the Rev. Anthony Reid, and featuring the usual fire engines, bands, floats, color guards and dignitaries — plus a pair of marriage proposals.

The 37th annual Dundalk Heritage Fair featured entertainment headliners Three Dog Night and Jefferson Starship. Controversy arose when longtime fair favorite Ronnie Dove was missing from the lineup. Fair organizers originally said Dove was physically unable to perform, but the singer later said that a fee dispute torpedoed his appearance, and he scheduled a performance elsewhere that weekend.

Arc Baltimore recognized local businessman  Nick Athanasis and Dundalk -raised professional clown Steve Carder for their volunteer service on behalf of developmentally-disabled citizens.

The steelworkers’ veterans memorial at the now-closed United Steelworkers Local 9477 hall was moved to a new home at Dundalk VFW Post 6694.


The concrete owl statue that had long graced Dundalk High School’s interior courtyard briefly went missing before being reutrned by an anonymous alumnus who said he took it because he thought it would otherwise be destroyed rather than preserved as the closed school building was demolished. The statue was in fact slated to be installed at the new high school.

Locals brought out their treasured heirlooms for St. Helena’s third annual Antiques Appraisal Day.

Dundalk native E.J. Pipkin, who represented an Eastern Shore district  in the state Senate, announced that he would resign his office to pursue a master’s degree in sports management at Southern Methodist University in Texas, calling the decision a “change in the direction of life.”
Family and friends expressed sadness and disbelief after a Kavanagh Road man reportedly shot his wife to death and wounded his daughter before killing himself. Police had no information as to why James Burnham might have shot his wife Terri and his daughter Shannon Nichlas in the early hours of Aug. 24.

Berkshire-area residents expressed dismay over illegal dumping — including sofas and mattresses — at the site of a former McDonald’s restaurant on North Point Boulevard.

Dundalkian Dotty Cristy took home 20 ribbons in a variety of arts and crafts categories at the Maryland State Fair.


Dundalk’s role in the War of 1812 was celebrated with an expansion of the annual Defenders Day festivities to two days, featuring re-enactments of the Battle of North Point and public participation in the folding of a 44-foot U.S. flag.

A patient from the FutureCare North Point nursing facility was found wandering in an Eastpoint office complex. A Future-
Care official called it “an isolated case.”

The memorial to steelworkers who died while working at the Sparrows Point mill was moved from its longtime spot at the now-closed Local 9477 union hall to a new home in Heritage Park. There are 118 names on the memorial.

Music, color guards, a candlelight vigil and the playing of “Taps” marked the local remembrance in Heritage Park of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Deb Haddaway and Dave Sellers were honored as Volunteers of the Year by the Dundalk Renaissance Corp. at its annual public meeting.

A rally was held in Towson urging the Baltimore County State’s Attorney’s office to convene a grand jury in the case of Bernadette Stevenson Caruso, missing since 1986.

Charlesmont Elementary School added to its accolades when it was named a National Blue Ribbon school by the U.S. Department of Education. Charlesmont was one of only 11 Maryland schools to earn the honor.

Curiosity abounded as a large white blimp hovered over Dundalk in late September. It turned out to be a U.S. Navy airship testing aerial mapping equipment for the Naval Research Laboratory.


Having already been named Baltimore County’s Teacher of the Year, Patapsco High’s Sean McComb was honored as Maryland’s state Teacher of the Year at a gala at Martin’s West.

The Dundalk Renaissance Corp. announced a $912,000 grant from the Maryland Department of Housing to boost the housing market in Dundalk.

A North Point Peninsula Council meeting drew local residents skeptical of the new stormwater management fee, known as the “rain tax.”

Workers at the Port of Baltimore were on strike for three days as International Longshoremen’s Association Local 333 and the Steamship Trade Association tried to come to terms on a long-term labor agreement.

Online retail giant Amazon.com announced that it would build a new million-square-foot fulfillment center at the site of the former General Motors plant on Broening Highway.

Local drivers complained as road construction affected travel on Merritt Boulevard and Wise Avenue.

Sparrows Point High School’s Victoria Ali was named Maryland High School Art Teacher of the Year by the Maryland Art Education Association.















Local drivers complained as road construction affected travel on Merritt Boulevard and Wise Avenue.

Longtime local volunteers Tom Toporovich and Rebecca Gochar were inducted into the Maryland Senior Citizens Hall of Fame. Toporovich was one of only five inductees to receive the GERI award for extraordinary communinty service.

Local veterans Dan Minnick, John Pauline and John Walt Paul made a trip to the World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C., for the introduction of the U.S. Postal Service’s Medal of Honor stamp.

Local actor Vincent De Paul was slated to appear in the ION television movie Defending Santa.



Dundalk welcomed the Christmas season with the annual parade in Dundalk Village,, Santa in the Park, the DRC Holiday Hoopla and train gardens at the Wise Avenue Volunteer Fire Company station and the Dundalk-Patapsco Neck Historical Society Museum.

Baltimore Ravens star Ray Rice caused a stir when we commented on allegations of bullying at Dundalk High School. Tom Shouldice, the school’s principal, called Rice’s remarks “at best very inaccurate.”

Norwood Holabird Community Association president John Ayres stepped down after moving with his new wife to her home in Middle River.

Though the Sparrows Point steel mill is now closed and being demolished, the brightly-lit “Star of Bethlehem” once again rose over the L blast furnace to mark the holiday season.
Ten people were overcome with carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning in two separate incidents, one on Manor Road and one on St. Monica Drive. Authorities noted that neither residence had legally-required CO detectors.

West Inverness residents reported that packages  from delivery services were being stolen.





Purple pride was on display from Charlesmont and Bear Creek elementary schools ( left) to the Eagle offices and a Gen. John Stricker Middle School Steel Band performance ( from bottom) as Dundalkians joined in the enthusiasm over the Baltimore Ravens’ fifth consecutive trip to the NFL Playoffs, which culminated in a 34-31 win over the San Francisco 49ers in Super Bowl XLVII on Feb. 3.



The Eagle broke new ground in its long history of journalism honors, with associate editor Bill Gates and reporter Nicole Rodman winning multiple honors from the Maryland-Delaware-District of Columbia Press Association and the National Newspaper Association and editor/Talk of the Town columnist Steve Matrazzo receiving a Sigma Delta Chi award for column writing from the Society of Professional Journalists — over writers from larger daily newspapers — at a banquet at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., on June 21.
 photo by Norma Jean Shaw



Among the hundreds of deaths we noted this year were those
of the following prominent citizens and former residents:



Sam “Icepond” Walker, 75,
longtime Turner Station community leader, on Jan. 10.
Barbara Wernecke Durkin, 69, former Patapsco High School English teacher who wrote the 1984 novel
Oh. You Dundalk Girls! Can’t You Dance the Polka?, on Jan. 18.

Kristina “Christie” Trionfo Quigley, 30, Dundalk High alumna who became a successful college lacrosse coach,
in a bus crash while traveling with her Seton Hill University team, on March 16.
Harry S. Lichtman, 85, Drug City Pharmacy founder known
as “Doc Harry” throughout his 59-year career, on May 20.
Charles H. Echols Jr., 96, longtime photographer and local historian who published several books on Dundalk-area history, on July 12.
Donald C. Mason, 86, veterans advocate and former
7th District county councilman, on Nov. 18.